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Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 10:59 pm Post subject:
7th-key wrote:
I agree, but maybe is only so when one is more interested in the ladies.
I don't know what era it was, but I don't think I would prefer black teeth and shaved eyebrows.
LOL, in this Ooku SP documentary show I watched, the Edo period women thinks using ohaguro(blackening their teeth) makes them looks pretty and popular. I introduce to you the Edo beauty!!
If I'm not mistaken 'ohaguro' was popular since abt a century before the Meiji restoration. So it was not invented yet, when Gou was still alive (phewhh~).
Seeing the women in old Sengoku paintings, perhaps Sengoku women authentic makeup would be something like this.
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Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 3:18 am Post subject:
7th Key,
Many thanks for the post re the Haiku of the three daimyo. I read it a long time ago and could not bring it back to mind.
I think it most interesting and really does show a side of the three personalities.
Nobunaga was a man to react fast and furious. He did not take a long time to clear the way.
Hideyoshi was the cautious one. Very crafty I think, and would try to coax before using his power and then demolishing the problem.
Ieyasu always surprised me being so laid back and deliberate. He really did wait a long time to take the power he wanted. He certainly used it and set up a very strong system.
Patience is a virtue and for him it worked out well.
Yanie,
Well I am not sure about Hideyoshi. He came from farming family and the natural way of killing animals would be a normal thing for him. As he went into the Nobunaga world and was able to rise in stature, I think he could learn to reaason with people and try persuasion, but his inherent natural hardness would not stop him from being quite ruthless with people. I imagine maybe he might enjoy playing a little game before taking it to the end he desired finally.
He was no longer just a lout. He was a crafty genereal much feared in many quarters I think. Nobunaga really did value Hideyoshi.
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Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 3:35 am Post subject:
The blackened teeth would have been the style for the geishas in the Ryomaden drama. I can't quite imagine that beautiful woman with black teeth enticing Ryoma in old Edo.
Strange that nowadays we can enlarge and paint lips red and put purple. blue or green on eyelids. Not to mention all the black rims around eyes with liner....
Even some of the idols in Korean male groups are done up to the nines with eyeliner and red hair and white hair etc etc.
Found 'ohaguro' on wiki. The article says it was most popular in the Meiji era but has been practised through time (it was even referenced in the Genji Monogatari). In the Sengoku era "to prepare for political marriages of convenience, when the daughters of military commanders were around 8 to 10 years old, they would blacken their teeth as a marking of their coming of age".
But Gou's the daughter of a Daimyo so we're probably safe. <- mr.green with nice white teeth.
@brad2
That senryū is pretty nifty, indeed! Was especially fitting in episode 06 and 07 when we first saw Hideyoshi's tactics (spreading rumours to gain time against Akechi) while Ieyasu decided to stay put and see what happens.
And just like her uncle, simply put Tōdai-ji incense wood flavour into that toothpaste and she'll surely keep brushing her teeth for the rest of the Taiga.
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I notice that sometimes they say, "arigato gozaimasu" and other times they say "arigato zonjimasu (sp?)"
What's the difference?
May the gurus correct me if I'm wrong:
Gozaimasu is the polite form of "to be/exist" while zonjimasu (zonjiru) is humble for "feel/think/know".
I think literally those expressions mean "This is a thing to be thankful for" vs. "I feel this is a thing to be thankful for".
Basically "I'm grateful" vs "I feel grateful".
My favorite is Arigataki shiawase ~ "Thank you for my happiness".
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Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2011 3:20 am Post subject:
7th-key wrote:
May the gurus correct me if I'm wrong:
Gozaimasu is the polite form of "to be/exist" while zonjimasu (zonjiru) is humble for "feel/think/know".
I think literally those expressions mean "This is a thing to be thankful for" vs. "I feel this is a thing to be thankful for".
Basically "I'm grateful" vs "I feel grateful".
My favorite is Arigataki shiawase ~ "Thank you for my happiness".
You've said it! That's pretty much the best you can explain
it seems like he and Shibata Katsuie anf Oda Nobunaga having fun togather
They sure are haha. He's saying that at the moment he's having a few drinks with Sir Katsuie, so temporarily he's not looking over the earth realm. He also thinks that Gou is beginning to sense a little bit of Sir Hideyoshi's charisma. And then finally, OH! Lord Nobunaga shows up! More drinking!
Gozaimasu is the polite form of "to be/exist" while zonjimasu (zonjiru) is humble for "feel/think/know".
I think literally those expressions mean "This is a thing to be thankful for" vs. "I feel this is a thing to be thankful for".
Basically "I'm grateful" vs "I feel grateful".
My favorite is Arigataki shiawase ~ "Thank you for my happiness".
Yikes, so many variations... Hard to determine which is the appropriate time to use any of those...
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