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arnel98



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 08, 2004 2:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

lovelessemotion wrote:
yeah maybe that's why i got a *** for my grade in my japanese class... Sweat

anyway what the heck is mo for then? only when its negative? Crazy

hehehe
well, i think 'mo' is the japanese form of 'too'
e.g
me too --> watashi mo
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niko2x



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 08, 2004 3:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

depending on the enunciacion and context, "mo" can be used in a lot of ways...
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lovelessemotion



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 08, 2004 4:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

arnel98 wrote:

hehehe
well, i think 'mo' is the japanese form of 'too'
e.g
me too --> watashi mo
yeah i know that...but what about when its a particle in negatives... like koohii mo koocha mo nomimasen
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 08, 2004 4:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

lol... niko see where the "search" field is at? just change the 'drama' button to 'dictionary' type and click.... and presto! instand noodles.. i mean instand dictionary
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arnel98



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 08, 2004 4:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

lovelessemotion wrote:
yeah i know that...but what about when its a particle in negatives... like koohii mo koocha mo nomimasen

ah, that's way too advance for me Sweat
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 08, 2004 4:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

no wonder your're going to college, smarty pants! Thx!
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 08, 2004 4:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

From the Japanese Language Dictionary (http://www.trussel.com/f_nih.htm):

akewatasu
(v5s) to vacate; to surrender

gunmonnikudaru
(exp) to capitulate; to surrender

gyokuonban
(n) recording disc (of the Imperial surrender message)

hadawoyurusu
(exp) to surrender one's chastity to a man

jinmon
(n) surrender to the enemy

jishu
(n,vs) surrender; give oneself up; (P)

kankou
(n) call to surrender

kanraku
(n) fall; sinking; surrender; capitulation; (P)

kifuku
(n) submission; surrender

kifuku
(n) submission; surrender

koufuku
(n) capitulation; surrender; submission; (P)

koufuku
(n) capitulation; surrender; submission

kuppuku
(n,vs) yielding; submission; surrender; giving way; succumbing

kuppuku
(n,vs) yielding; submission; surrender; giving way; succumbing

mujoukenkoufuku
(n) unconditional surrender

rakujou
(n) surrender (fall) of a castle

shikkan
(n) surrender; fall

tewatasu
(v5s) to hand over; to surrender; (P)

toukou
(n) surrender; (P)

yuzuru
(v5r) to turn over; to assign; to hand over; to transmit; to convey; to sell; to dispose of; to yield; to surrender; (P)
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oshio_minahmi



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 08, 2004 10:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

thanx guys! same as niko2x, i never noticed the instant dict. before !! Beaten otsukaresamadeshita!
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kazuichikun



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 08, 2004 5:56 pm    Post subject: how do u say.... Reply with quote Back to top

okay...well....what is the equivalent to "what the hell do you want?" in japanese? haha...shit...thanks
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westfox09



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 08, 2004 7:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

can i ask hw do u do a formal jikosyokai in kansai-ben?
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 08, 2004 8:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Some of my japanese friends at times correct me with �Ƃ��@(toka) to be used as "or", but I've never quite understood exactly why,
for example,
I once said :
Makudo ka kenchiki ka, nani ga ii desu ka?
and a friend told me should be
makudo toka kenchiki

I'm just not quite sure what the difference is... ?

by the way, for those not familiar with some fast food slang,
makudo = mcdonald's
kenchiki = kentucky fried chicken

Thanks
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yume



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 08, 2004 8:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

"Nan da?"
"Nan nan da yo?!"

I guess it all depends on the tone in your voice, but in general, I think that I have heard many people try to translate this (when spoken gruffly) into, "Well, what the hell do you want?" or "Well, what??"

I am sure someone can offer a more impolite way to say it, but I think this is quite sufficient enough. One shouldn't go around being rude anyway, right?
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Bedi



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 08, 2004 9:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Quote:
"what the hell do you want?"


pronounced like nani tendayo = would be like "What the hell are you talking about"
but remember this isn't the prefered polite version Wink
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 08, 2004 11:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

westfox09 wrote:
can i ask hw do u do a formal jikosyokai in kansai-ben?


erm... am i being ignored? lol Sweat
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 08, 2004 11:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

westfox09 wrote:
can i ask hw do u do a formal jikosyokai in kansai-ben?
the jdorama member "ahochaude" is the grand master of osaka-ben. when he returns i'm sure he'll reply.
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Bedi



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 08, 2004 11:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

I'm sorry that I can't help you with that question Shake Head
Please don't think you are being ignored Sweat If I would know I would help for sure


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 09, 2004 12:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

okiely dokiely Big Grin
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kazuichikun



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 09, 2004 5:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

haha....thanks guys...yea...i wouldn't mind hearing it in osaka-ben
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ahochaude



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2004 12:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

lovelessemotion wrote:
yeah i know that...but what about when its a particle in negatives... like koohii mo koocha mo nomimasen


Same thing in negatives.

"I don't drink coffee and tea."

I know where you got confused by the "or" part. But, "And" is the phrase being implemented in this particular sentence.
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jules



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 17, 2004 11:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

yareyare wrote:
Some of my japanese friends at times correct me with �Ƃ��@(toka) to be used as "or", but I've never quite understood exactly why,
for example,
I once said :
Makudo ka kenchiki ka, nani ga ii desu ka?
and a friend told me should be
makudo toka kenchiki

I'm just not quite sure what the difference is... ?

by the way, for those not familiar with some fast food slang,
makudo = mcdonald's
kenchiki = kentucky fried chicken

Thanks


If I'm not mistaken
�Ƃ� / toka usually used when you're trying to remember something or when you're uncertain about 'choosing/deciding something'
The meaning of 'Makudo ka kenchiki ka,...' and 'makudo toka kenchiki...' might be the same.
But the use of particle 'or' is more proper in 'makudo toka kenchiki...'
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