The Man wrote:

For Hollywood to remake Shall We Dance is just . . . dumb. The movie made itself known to general audiences in the U.S. and I think more than enough folks'll be able to do the comparison on their own. It's just a charming film on its own (Koji Yakusho and Tamiyo Kusakari own their respective roles in that film and there are few actors on the planet that can beat Naoto Takenaka, period).

If there is any justice, the Gere-J.Lo remake should tank, and the dork who green-lighted the project gets fired.

I've got my fingers crossed.

amrayu wrote:

Most Extreme Elimination Competition. they are shortening it to: MXC i think its a good way to introduce more japanese culture to america. the show is pretty funny. i don't think itll be as funny if they dubbed it with the original meanings..and it would probably have been boring to watch it too. takeshi kitano is renamed Vic Romano.

I'd give them credit for introducing Japanese culture and media to America in a non demeaning way. The way they're doing it is full of ish (IMO).

I just think it's a mockery. Especially those grunting sound effects coming from the guys and ladies. They make it sound like AV or something. Just my ��~ (two-yen)
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ahochaude wrote:

I'd give them credit for introducing Japanese culture and media to America in a non demeaning way. The way they're doing it is full of ish (IMO). I just think it's a mockery. Especially those grunting sound effects coming from the guys and ladies. They make it sound like AV or something. Just my ��~ (two-yen)

some people might take it as mockery, but thats what americans like to do. (my friend's japanese gf loves the show).
another good thing that came from this is, that they are doing a special, where there will be americans!!! (tony hawk will be hosting) and its taking place in orlando, fl. so maybe they will dub that show and make fun of americans?!
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I guess anime probably wouldn't have been this popular if it wasn't for the dubs. Maybe bad dubbing drives people to buy the DVDs so they can see them subbed

amrayu wrote:

some people might take it as mockery, but thats what americans like to do. (my friend's japanese gf loves the show). another good thing that came from this is, that they are doing a special, where there will be americans!!! (tony hawk will be hosting) and its taking place in orlando, fl. so maybe they will dub that show and make fun of americans?!

Well, everyone has their own preferences. I prefer not to watch it 'cause I think it's lame.

Anyway, back on topic. I hope that dramas won't be dubbed in American air play. That would be horrible. Animes were bad enough already.
If they do get air play, I hope they're subbed rather than dubbed.

Oh, and Mazinger. I think SG is hot. Never really watched Buffy but in Cruel Intentions. Oh man.
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ahochaude wrote:

Well, everyone has their own preferences. I prefer not to watch it 'cause I think it's lame. Anyway, back on topic. I hope that dramas won't be dubbed in American air play. That would be horrible. Animes were bad enough already. If they do get air play, I hope they're subbed rather than dubbed. Oh, and Mazinger. I think SG is hot. Never really watched Buffy but in Cruel Intentions. Oh man.

Ahhhhh, well, remember now, "those of us who have visited Japan"-ites, that country dubs THEIR language into U.S. shows, from Baywatch to Die Hard, so, if U.S. TV stations started dubbing English for J-doramas -- as much as I'd hate seeing it myself, I want to make clear -- I would HARDLY call such acts "unjustified."

I think dubbing should be totally banned everywhere! I can't stand the dubbing on animes because they make all the characters sound so dorky, but on the other hand, as The Man stated, Japanese stations dub American shows and make American characters sound really weird!

I saw X-Files in Japan with voices dubbed and Mulder just sounded sooooo wrong!

Rinrin wrote:

I think dubbing should be totally banned everywhere! I can't stand the dubbing on animes because they make all the characters sound so dorky, but on the other hand, as The Man stated, Japanese stations dub American shows and make American characters sound really weird! I saw X-Files in Japan with voices dubbed and Mulder just sounded sooooo wrong!

Dubbing is for people who don't feel like reading The option should be there for lazy people. In exchange for their laziness, they must put up with horrible voice acting and mismatching lip movements Plus some people don't like ::gasp:: not hearing their own native language

I generally don't like dubbing. Whatever it is, I like it in its original language. That goes for every show, movie, language, etc. As long as there is an option to turn subtitles on and change to voice track (DVD, bilingual TV), I'm cool with having the dub option there. When I would see dubbed anime, it irritated the hell out of me. The horrible voices and the horrible acting....and WTF....someone get them some coaching because they can't pronounce Japanese names to save their lives.

But damn, in Japan, turn on the TV around 11:30 or later. You'll see American movies dubbed in Japanese and with Japanese subtitles (usually channels 10 and 12 in Tokyo, I think). Luckily if you have a bilingual TV, you can switch the dialogue to English But I'll admit, Japan doesn't have a big selection of voice actors for American movies and shows....nor are they very good either. Same thing as what people say for people who dub anime in English. If you are lucky enough to get SkyPerfectTV or something in Japan and turn on Fox or Nickelodeon or something, you'll see some of your favorite old shows dubbed in Japanese. It's.....eerie. I was traumatized by the Simpsons. Homer and Marge just were WRONG! I would have loved to hear the Japanese Ralph though

KouSeiya315 wrote:

Dubbing is for people who don't feel like reading The option should be there for lazy people. In exchange for their laziness, they must put up with horrible voice acting and mismatching lip movements Plus some people don't like ::gasp:: not hearing their own native language

On the mark. Dubbing seems to be more frequent in anime than live action films, unfortunately. Oddly, some folks who don't like dubbing for live action films, don't seem to mind the dubs for anime... Weird.

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I generally don't like dubbing. Whatever it is, I like it in its original language. That goes for every show, movie, language, etc. As long as there is an option to turn subtitles on and change to voice track (DVD, bilingual TV), I'm cool with having the dub option there. When I would see dubbed anime, it irritated the hell out of me. The horrible voices and the horrible acting....and WTF....someone get them some coaching because they can't pronounce Japanese names to save their lives.

Yes. Case in point is Kiki's Delivery Service: the English dub is awful, especially for Kiki's cat, Jiji. I couldn't sit through it. Gack.

First of all you people are too picky, what ever gets dubbed gets subbed, this is true for more than 99 percent of the time. Don't mean to be mean, but its true. Dramas will always be subbed, they are when they show on tv, and I think there is a law that keeps japanese tv from being dubbed when it gets exported. And as for remakes, so will be good so will be bad, My Sassy Girl's remake will be good, the ring was ok, but I didn't care for the 'Ringu' much either. Nothing can scare me after audition, just nothing can.

Oh, about dubbing american stuff in japan, its hilarious that they dub over Power Rangers, just the concept alone is funny.

gohmifune wrote:

First of all you people are too picky, what ever gets dubbed gets subbed, this is true for more than 99 percent of the time. Don't mean to be mean, but its true. Dramas will always be subbed, they are when they show on tv, and I think there is a law that keeps japanese tv from being dubbed when it gets exported. And as for remakes, so will be good so will be bad, My Sassy Girl's remake will be good, the ring was ok, but I didn't care for the 'Ringu' much either. Nothing can scare me after audition, just nothing can. Oh, about dubbing american stuff in japan, its hilarious that they dub over Power Rangers, just the concept alone is funny.

I think it was save a lot of money to just keep it in the original voices and just add subs. Who cares about all these crappy voice actors anyways.

I don't like the idea of My Sassy Girl being remade. Any time you have a remake it's not going to be as good as the original. Also take into account the ways American films are made and the way Asian films are made. Obviously, American films base a lot of movies on special effects while asian movies have a lot more to due with storyline. I have no idea how much MSG will get butchered but I guess we will see when it gets released.

Rinrin wrote:

I think dubbing should be totally banned everywhere! I can't stand the dubbing on animes because they make all the characters sound so dorky, but on the other hand, as The Man stated, Japanese stations dub American shows and make American characters sound really weird! I saw X-Files in Japan with voices dubbed and Mulder just sounded sooooo wrong!

Mulder speaking Japanese...d'uh! That must one annoying but hilarious thing you've ever seen.

Basically, I hate dubbing. I watched many HK series, be it martial arts and actions who were dubbed in English..well if you all have watched those made by Shaw brothers..GOD, the dubbing were so awful. It sort of making me remember about this satirical wacky movie called "Kung Pow: Enter the Fist" The actor/director/writer just cut and paste himself into one of those 70's martial arts movie. I think he did sort of a protest against bad dubbing.

I also don't like any dub on Anime too. Ban the Dubbing!

Akakage wrote:

Ban the Dubbing!

In-dub-itably!

nyuk nyuk

gohmifune wrote:

First of all you people are too picky, what ever gets dubbed gets subbed, this is true for more than 99 percent of the time. Don't mean to be mean, but its true.

I guess I'm talking about trying to buy stuff at our local stores (like Tower Records). Usually it's one or the other for some reason. If I want something with both I gotta order online usually.

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Oh, about dubbing american stuff in japan, its hilarious that they dub over Power Rangers, just the concept alone is funny.

You're kidding! I never saw that. Crazy!

I read in a article about American cinema movie-goers and 99.9% would not watch a movie or foreign movie that has subtitles. That is how lazy America has gone. omfg. I prefer watching any movie subbed than have it dubbed. Yes, there are movies that are released in American cinema with its native language and subtitled, but those are rare. Those types of movies with subtitles released in America must be groundbreaking and offer something new to the movie industry.

Dubbs - are created with limited amount of (talented) actors and to please the lazy audience.
Subs - But with what eltinator says, what company wants to invest a large sum of a money for a professional subtitling group to sub the movies/series. I'm sure it's cheaper with a "average" subtitling group, that's why there are horrible DVDrip subtitles. But the main cause is the audience preference and majority prefer not to read subtitled movies/dramas because it's "too distracting, reading and watching the video at the same time."

Oh, and Hollywood are remaking all these greats from overseas because of originality. You know how hard it is to come up with a unique, creative, and interesting story/movie/series? That's why this past decade, quality of movies released in theatres decline and there are more frequent remake releases. (i.e. - Dirty Dancing 2 - Havana Nights - I never watched it but omfg. How late and how sad, it bombed at the theatres. http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=dirtydancing2.htm Budget was $25mil and raked in $14.1mil)

aznkoodies wrote:

I read in a article about American cinema movie-goers and 99.9% would not watch a movie or foreign movie that has subtitles. That is how lazy America has gone. omfg. I prefer watching any movie subbed than have it dubbed. Yes, there are movies that are released in American cinema with its native language and subtitled, but those are rare. Those types of movies with subtitles released in America must be groundbreaking and offer something new to the movie industry.

I don't think it's a rare as you think. With the introduction of DVDs and companies like Criterion, many old and classic foreign films are released in their native language with proper subtitles... And no dubs for the lazy folks who have a problem with reading...

My opinion on dubbing really depends on how well it's done. I don't mind it, and in about 1% of the time prefer it over the original Japanese. For example,I prefered the Cowboy Bebop dubbed over the sub because I think Spike's and Jet's deeper voices compared to their Japanese counterpart were more fitting. Also with Fruits Basket the anime. I didn't like the fact that Yuki was voiced by a girl. Though it is a common practice in anime to have a girl voice actress do the voice of a "pretty" guy, I don't think it fit in this situation. But again, these two are the only exceptions so far and again all anime. Dubbing for live action shows however is just wrong. I don't mind anime because the lip movements, though still off, isn't as noticeable. Not true with live action shows...sometimes it becomes so noticeable that I actually find myself concentrating on it more than the show itself.

As far as remakes of movies, I , of course, don't like it, but I do understand why its being done. We are currently going through another "Asian boom" so of course Hollywood is going to capitalize on it. America takes elements from Asia and Europe and in turn Europe and Asia take elements from America. It's a never ending cycle. And rather than make myself crazy thinking and complaining about it, I'll just do the easiest thing to do, yet the most hurtful thing to do to Hollywood companies who remake old movies - I won't see it when it comes out. Hitting 'em in the wallet will do more damage than complaining will.

I guess we're all experts at reading subs and watching video eh

The rest of the world need to learn from us! MWHAHAHA

Double post. The original is here:
http://jdorama.com/viewtopic_2864.htm&highlight=gellar

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eltinator wrote:

I would hate to see dorama dubs. I mean anime is bearable but dorama, c'mon that's totally messed up.

i dont think they'll dub the doramas. IMO americans are not used to seeing asians as the leads in tv series/shows or movies. i think thats a big reason y there r so many remakes. i saw this really crappy tv show based on the monkey king but the lead was the guy from dharma and greg. i just thought it was weird.