Joined: 22 Mar 2005 Posts: 2785 Location: Lawwwng Guy-islind, Nu Yawk Country:
Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2009 9:00 pm Post subject:
Jav_sol wrote:
Not so fast, I give you G-dragon. A 'girly man' or do you get a sense of masculinity from him?
Stevie wrote:
he looks really kool,I like the Girly look!! Because am girly myself
I think G-Dragon looks cool too. I didn't realize a man needed to be super masculine in order to be a considered a male. Nor does a woman need to be ultra feminine in order to be considered a female. Aren't we all androgynous?
I once had a boyfriend who used Mister Mascara and J-P Gaultier make-up stuff for men. I didn�Lt mind and I thought he was quite manly.
You never know with whom you fall in love
I think it always depends on the particular guy. Some can pull off what others can't.
Like having a baby panda as an avatar.
Not all are macho enough for that image _________________
Hmm, that might explain your sudden shift to Korean dramas lately...
Sudden? It's been two years...
Enna wrote:
I think G-Dragon looks cool too. I didn't realize a man needed to be super masculine in order to be a considered a male. Nor does a woman need to be ultra feminine in order to be considered a female. Aren't we all androgynous?
P.S. I am a female.
They don't. At least, not to me. I'm talking merely physical attraction. I'm not attracted to guys who are more feminine. That doesn't mean I don't think they aren't beautiful. Look at Gackt. I think he's quite beautiful. But I will never be attracted to him.
And I agree with the comments about guys wearing make-up. Wearing make-up doesn't necessarily make you feminine. If I guy can pull it off, I think it's quite hot.
Still, I'm attracted to the more rugged. _________________
I don't recall you mentioning watching K-dramas until recently.
I never mentioned it here except a few times because it's a JD forum. Gokusen was the second Jdrama I ever saw and I watched my first Korean drama "My Girl" right after. Actually, I might have seen My Girl before Gokusen...
Edit: I've only recently started watching Korean Variety shows (hardcore, I've seen a scant few over the years), which might be why you're confused. _________________
Joined: 22 Mar 2005 Posts: 2785 Location: Lawwwng Guy-islind, Nu Yawk Country:
Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:03 pm Post subject:
Ya' know I wasn't so much interested in what type of man or woman that some of you are attracted to as much as I was wondering why the effeminate male, especially the Asian entertainer, gets such a bad rap. Women are allowed to cut their hair short, wear men's clothing yet we still don't seem to get so offended by them? That is why I made my comments about our views as to what is considered male or female. I guess by now you have figured out that I enjoy challenging all of our pre-conceived perceptions of people in general.
And as far as androgynous goes, we all have genes from both our mother and father so I was being a bit facetious.
Something else I wonder about... Would you respond to the post of a member of the JDorama board in a totally different manner based on whether or not you knew if they were either male or female?
P.S. Thanks for all of responses. EstherM it is nice to know that maleness and makeup can be compatible.
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Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 11:41 pm Post subject:
Enna wrote:
I was wondering why the effeminate male, especially the Asian entertainer, gets such a bad rap.
Because they make men insecure about their own sexuality. You're right, we're all androgynous to various degrees, but women have less inhibition about it. There's still this macho attitude among men that makes them very insecure about themselves. It's a clinical fact that homophobic men get sexually aroused when watching gay porn. We hate in others what we fear in ourselves, right? _________________
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Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 5:52 am Post subject:
Enna wrote:
Ya' know I wasn't so much interested in what type of man or woman that some of you are attracted to as much as I was wondering why the effeminate male, especially the Asian entertainer, gets such a bad rap. Women are allowed to cut their hair short, wear men's clothing yet we still don't seem to get so offended by them? That is why I made my comments about our views as to what is considered male or female. I guess by now you have figured out that I enjoy challenging all of our pre-conceived perceptions of people in general.
I agree with you. Growing up in NYC I am unaffected by peoples outter dress but still when it comes down to who I am attracted to that is something else.
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And as far as androgynous goes, we all have genes from both our mother and father so I was being a bit facetious.
Very true, however.
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Something else I wonder about... Would you respond to the post of a member of the JDorama board in a totally different manner based on whether or not you knew if they were either male or female?
Of course, if its some guy we'd give him some flack.....
haha! J/K.... I'd think some things would surprise me if they came from a woman rather than a man or vice versa, but I dont think I would have a different response... :headscratch
P.S. Thanks for all of responses. EstherM it is nice to know that maleness and makeup can be compatible. [/quote]
My dad called the guy I was friendly with who wore makeup the Brazilian Puffball.... But we all thought he was gorgeous... _________________
Joined: 22 Mar 2005 Posts: 2785 Location: Lawwwng Guy-islind, Nu Yawk Country:
Posted: Sat Sep 05, 2009 2:13 am Post subject:
@shari: Thanks for your response. Very interesting! I didn't necessarily think anyone here was being homophobic, but I do wish that effeminate men, whether they are entertainers or not, could be treated with a bit more tolerance here.
Eve wrote:
I agree with you. Growing up in NYC I am unaffected by peoples outer dress but still when it comes down to who I am attracted to that is something else:beaten:
Even though I grew up for the most part on Long Island I lived and worked in NYC for many years. One time when I was walking home from work I saw a man dressed as a woman while he roller skated down Broadway. He was wearing a chiffon ball gown, rhinestone eyeglasses and wearing a tiara. I think I was the only person who turned around to notice him. He was skating so smoothly and dressed so well that I just had to stare at him as he rolled on by. Maybe because I worked in fashion, I feel the way people dress or decorate themselves is an expression of who they are, so who am I to judge them?
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Something else I wonder about... Would you respond to the post of a member of the JDorama board in a totally different manner based on whether or not you knew if they were either male or female?
Eve wrote:
Of course, if its some guy we'd give him some flack.....
haha! J/K.... I'd think some things would surprise me if they came from a woman rather than a man or vice versa, but I dont think I would have a different response...
Joined: 20 Jul 2004 Posts: 12782 Location: USA Country:
Posted: Sat Sep 05, 2009 6:40 pm Post subject:
Enna wrote:
Even though I grew up for the most part on Long Island I lived and worked in NYC for many years. One time when I was walking home from work I saw a man dressed as a woman while he roller skated down Broadway. He was wearing a chiffon ball gown, rhinestone eyeglasses and wearing a tiara. I think I was the only person who turned around to notice him.
My Mother was just walking down Columbus Circle a couple days ago and saw a guy in a movie quality Batman suit posing and posturing.
She said she was the only one to stop and watch.
Gotta love NYC! _________________
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I didn't realize a man needed to be super masculine in order to be a considered a male. Nor does a woman need to be ultra feminine in order to be considered a female. Aren't we all androgynous? 
They don't. At least, not to me. I'm talking merely physical attraction. I'm not attracted to guys who are more feminine. That doesn't mean I don't think they aren't beautiful. Look at Gackt. I think he's quite beautiful. But I will never be attracted to him.
