Hi once again it's me!!!If you seen the new topic on Sengoku Jidai I made yesterday then you'll roughly know me.But enough on self-introduction.Similarly I just want to gather all the fans so that we can share our knowledge and quench our thrist for it.Sooo...if you had played the series of Romance Of The Three Kingdoms or Dynasty Warriors then why not join in?!?Ask any questions and I(or anyone who knows the answer) will try their best to help you.

Just a question to get everyone started.Do you think that Cao Cao deserved to lose at the battle of Red Cliff(Chi Bi)?Some blamed that he rushed his northern army to war too quickly.As one knows,soldiers of the North are good on horseback whereas the location of Chi Bi is at the south,where seas and lakes surround that area.Even with Cai Mao's impressive naval skills he is not able to make those northern soldiers adapt to the sea easily.So in battle they got sea-sick easily.And thanks to that strategist Pang Tong can apply the "Lian Huan Ji(scheme of combining tactics),causing Cao Cao to link his vassals together with chains.But here's the controversy.he might be vulnerable to a fire attack but the wind that time was blowing South,so the enemy who was located at South can't use fire.But a day before that the north-eastern wind,one that no one thought could possibly blow at such a period actually blew.So was it a freak incident or was it a wrond thing for Cao Cao to rush his men to war since if his army can conquer sea-sickness...then he need to chain his vassals that will lead to his biggest loss in his life.

ben_galahad wrote:

Hi once again it's me!!!If you seen the new topic on Sengoku Jidai I made yesterday then you'll roughly know me.But enough on self-introduction.Similarly I just want to gather all the fans so that we can share our knowledge and quench our thrist for it.Sooo...if you had played the series of Romance Of The Three Kingdoms or Dynasty Warriors then why not join in?!?Ask any questions and I(or anyone who knows the answer) will try their best to help you.

Its zhuge Liang ne~?? the sleeping dragon, if I'm not mistaken..
WOW.. there's even a thread about three kingdoms.. JDORAMA really rocks..

Yoroshiku ben_galahad I'm quite fond with romance of three kingdoms, for me its the best historical story ever.. I know em from game such as Dynasty warriors series or Romance of three Kingdom series

About your question, I think cao-cao did make a blunder decission for making his ship chains but if he didn't do that the soldier can't fight properly (although when tou think again, its really that matters) nonetheless cao-cao has predicted the wind is going to blow southward, so he did make precation maesures but I recall Zhuge Liang perform wind ceremony or some thing to make the north-eastern wind blow.. and then the fire would spread easily
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Just a question to get everyone started.Do you think that Cao Cao deserved to lose at the battle of Red Cliff(Chi Bi)?Some blamed that he rushed his northern army to war too quickly.As one knows,soldiers of the North are good on horseback whereas the location of Chi Bi is at the south,where seas and lakes surround that area.Even with Cai Mao's impressive naval skills he is not able to make those northern soldiers adapt to the sea easily.So in battle they got sea-sick easily.And thanks to that strategist Pang Tong can apply the "Lian Huan Ji(scheme of combining tactics),causing Cao Cao to link his vassals together with chains.But here's the controversy.he might be vulnerable to a fire attack but the wind that time was blowing South,so the enemy who was located at South can't use fire.But a day before that the north-eastern wind,one that no one thought could possibly blow at such a period actually blew.So was it a freak incident or was it a wrond thing for Cao Cao to rush his men to war since if his army can conquer sea-sickness...then he need to chain his vassals that will lead to his biggest loss in his life.

awesome thread! Lets keep this goin!

To your question, i'd easily say that he lost because he double teamed by 2 kingdoms with two genious strategists. I dont doubt Zhuge Liang or Zhou Yu's abilities at all.

Cao Cao is also known to be impulsive, wanting everything in his grasp. He went to Chi Bi too soon, where his men obviously had a disadvantage. he relied on his troops in numbers but was vulnerable to bad strategy because he was unfamiliar with naval tactics.

Jaegal_Maut wrote:

Its zhuge Liang ne~?? the sleeping dragon, if I'm not mistaken.. WOW.. there's even a thread about three kingdoms.. JDORAMA really rocks.. About your question, I think cao-cao did make a blunder decission for making his ship chains but if he didn't do that the soldier can't fight properly (although when tou think again, its really that matters) nonetheless cao-cao has predicted the wind is going to blow southward, so he did make precation maesures but I recall Zhuge Liang perform wind ceremony or some thing to make the north-eastern wind blow.. and then the fire would spread easily

Zhuge Liang did perform a wind ceremony.He even asked for a "Seven Stars Altar" to be built,and after that he just stayed there for three days praying,acting as if he is casting some magic or something.His action is simply to psych Zhou Yu into thinking that he do know magic.

Cao Cao's decision to chain his boat is debatable,but I personally think that he did the right move as firstly,he did not have enough time to let his northern army get adapted to naval battles.Secondly,north-eastern wind is known not to blow during that time of year,so from one point of view,it seems like Cao Cao had did everything correct.So how Zhuge Liang predict that the north-eastern wind will blow...it's remarkable.

Anyway whose's your favourite person in this history?I like Zhang Liao the most.It's rare to find one both powerful and tactically clever.I can only think of Zhao Yun and Zhou Yu...although the latter rarely engages in a fight.

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ThyGriever wrote:

awesome thread! Lets keep this goin! To your question, i'd easily say that he lost because he double teamed by 2 kingdoms with two genious strategists. I dont doubt Zhuge Liang or Zhou Yu's abilities at all. Cao Cao is also known to be impulsive, wanting everything in his grasp. He went to Chi Bi too soon, where his men obviously had a disadvantage. he relied on his troops in numbers but was vulnerable to bad strategy because he was unfamiliar with naval tactics.

That's why Cao Cao moaned so much that if he had Guo Jia he can avoid such a disaster.Well too bad for Cao Cao though...his confidence is expected.If you can defeat someone as powerful as Yuan Shao with fewer armies you will feel that you an do anything.Ahhh.Too bad such a turn of events happened...I thought with the rate of Cao Cao's conquest,he might unite China by A.D 220.

ben_galahad wrote:

That's why Cao Cao moaned so much that if he had Guo Jia he can avoid such a disaster.Well too bad for Cao Cao though...his confidence is expected.If you can defeat someone as powerful as Yuan Shao with fewer armies you will feel that you an do anything.Ahhh.Too bad such a turn of events happened...I thought with the rate of Cao Cao's conquest,he might unite China by A.D 220.

but in the end, his children got double-crossed by their own strategists (Sima Yi)! It's sad, I was kinda hoping he would survive. Cao Cao is a excellent leader. He did not fall until the very end. But almost got killed a bunch of times..

I like Ma Chao! He looks totally cool in Dynasty Warriors lol and he almost killed Cao Cao but he wasn't too smart...

ThyGriever wrote:

but in the end, his children got double-crossed by their own strategists (Sima Yi)! It's sad, I was kinda hoping he would survive. Cao Cao is a excellent leader. He did not fall until the very end. But almost got killed a bunch of times.. I like Ma Chao! He looks totally cool in Dynasty Warriors lol and he almost killed Cao Cao but he wasn't too smart...

Ma Chao is a tempermantal man from what I heard.When he realised that his father was killed he attacked Zhuge Liang immediately without even bothering to find out the real killer(which was Cao Cao).But no doubt he's a very talented warrior.I can remember the time he dueled with Xu Zhu of Wei.It was winter then and Xu Zhu tore off his clothes and fought Ma Chao bare-chested!!!That was such a cool battle!!!

Sima Yi's just being clever.Cao Pi heavily used his talent whereas Cao Rui feared him and exiled him.But after all else failed...he recalled Sima Yi but at that time Sima Yi had already plotted how to make his family name grow big in the Wei kingdom.So I'll point all the blame to Cao Rui for not having the bravery to use Sima Yi.

Speaking of Wei...do you know any generals who served the three Caos(Cao Cao,Cao Pi and Cao Rui) before?I can only think of Xu Zhu...Xu Shu might still be alive but I don't consider him as a Wei general...he did nothing for them)

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Ma Chao is a tempermantal man from what I heard.When he realised that his father was killed he attacked Zhuge Liang immediately without even bothering to find out the real killer(which was Cao Cao).But no doubt he's a very talented warrior.I can remember the time he dueled with Xu Zhu of Wei.It was winter then and Xu Zhu tore off his clothes and fought Ma Chao bare-chested!!!That was such a cool battle!!! Sima Yi's just being clever.Cao Pi heavily used his talent whereas Cao Rui feared him and exiled him.But after all else failed...he recalled Sima Yi but at that time Sima Yi had already plotted how to make his family name grow big in the Wei kingdom.So I'll point all the blame to Cao Rui for not having the bravery to use Sima Yi. Speaking of Wei...do you know any generals who served the three Caos(Cao Cao,Cao Pi and Cao Rui) before?I can only think of Xu Zhu...Xu Shu might still be alive but I don't consider him as a Wei general...he did nothing for them)

gosh, i cant remember! I read the book so long ago.

About Ma Chao, i dont remember the fight with shu but i thin he did fight them before he joined. HOWEVER, he did fight Cao Cao in revenge for his father (i would be mad if the same thing happened to me). At the Battle at Tong Gate, Ma Chao almost sealed Cao Cao's fate. However, Cao Cao had superior strategy and created mistrust in Ma Chao's army. Ma Chao at that time was undefeatable so only clever strategy won the day. Plus, Zhuge Liang made a quote where he compared Ma Chao's strength to lu bu. I feel Sorry for him because he died at 47 and said that Cao Cao executed almost everyone in his family.

Everyone heard of the infamous battle of "Lu Bu battle the Three Heroes" but what surprises me is that Guan Yu and Zhang Fei together are too strong for Lu Bu.Guan Yu and Zhang Fei are argubly one of the top few warriors so why must the appearance of Liu Bei then be enough to force Lu Bu to a retreat?I personally feel that Lu Bu having the infamous Red hare might play a factor...it have much more stamina compared to the normal horses of the Three heroes.

ben_galahad wrote:

Everyone heard of the infamous battle of "Lu Bu battle the Three Heroes" but what surprises me is that Guan Yu and Zhang Fei together are too strong for Lu Bu.Guan Yu and Zhang Fei are argubly one of the top few warriors so why must the appearance of Liu Bei then be enough to force Lu Bu to a retreat?I personally feel that Lu Bu having the infamous Red hare might play a factor...it have much more stamina compared to the normal horses of the Three heroes.

maybe lu bu is just, really strong, you know? cause it seems that no one can match him in battle, which makes up for his lack of intelligence. I think the redhare is good but doesnt help too much in the battle. Cause they dont mention their horses wearing down, only the fighters. Look, Koei makes Lu Bu look like a demon!

ThyGriever wrote:

maybe lu bu is just, really strong, you know? cause it seems that no one can match him in battle, which makes up for his lack of intelligence. I think the redhare is good but doesnt help too much in the battle. Cause they dont mention their horses wearing down, only the fighters. Look, Koei makes Lu Bu look like a demon!

No doubt about his appearance...even in the game he dominated it like no other!!!Ever heard of a rumor that he has a monkey-like face?!?

Anyway enough about Lu Bu for now.he's just all brawn and no brains.Don't like it.Anyway I got to go.See you tml.I'll post a new question upon my arrival tml.

ben_galahad wrote:

Zhuge Liang did perform a wind ceremony.He even asked for a "Seven Stars Altar" to be built,and after that he just stayed there for three days praying,acting as if he is casting some magic or something.His action is simply to psych Zhou Yu into thinking that he do know magic. Cao Cao's decision to chain his boat is debatable,but I personally think that he did the right move as firstly,he did not have enough time to let his northern army get adapted to naval battles.Secondly,north-eastern wind is known not to blow during that time of year,so from one point of view,it seems like Cao Cao had did everything correct.So how Zhuge Liang predict that the north-eastern wind will blow...it's remarkable. Anyway whose's your favourite person in this history?I like Zhang Liao the most.It's rare to find one both powerful and tactically clever.I can only think of Zhao Yun and Zhou Yu...although the latter rarely engages in a fight.

Zhuge liang is the best tacttician I've ever known, His wisdom are supperior even Liu Bei bows to him when recruiting him..

My fav is Zhou Tai and Ma Chao, foe Zhou Tai I like the Idea of warrior with sword in Chinese History, those slashing actions in game are superb, and for Ma Chao I like his history and spear-fighting styles and not forget the outfit is Cool.

Well about Lu Bu.. its obvious he is the strongest fighter ever but he lacks on tactic and strategies.. And he Has very cute (but deadly) lover Diao Chan, There are many aspects contributing in Lu BU overwhelming power: 1. He is naturally strong and has the equivalent of '1000 man??'
2. His weapon th Halberd is very strong and has a very wide range
3. His Red Hare are the fastest horse ever
With this He could easily taken out any general on field
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Jaegal_Maut wrote:

Well about Lu Bu.. its obvious he is the strongest fighter ever but he lacks on tactic and strategies.. And he Has very cute (but deadly) lover Diao Chan, There are many aspects contributing in Lu BU overwhelming power: 1. He is naturally strong and has the equivalent of '1000 man??' 2. His weapon th Halberd is very strong and has a very wide range 3. His Red Hare are the fastest horse ever With this He could easily taken out any general on field

The "1000 men' quote is taken from what a lord(I forgot who,sorry) said to his general."You are equivilent to 1000 soldiers".This is to tell someone that he/she is so valuable to them that they gladly sacrifice 1000 soldiers to get their service.

That halberd of his...is called "Lunar Spear".Not only does it have a far range...also it can easily stab or slash an opponent.The pointed tip is for stabbing(obviously) and the cresent part is to decapitate someone.Notice how the cresent arc to suit the structure of a human neck?

Also before Lu Bu used the Lunar Spear,Xiang Yu of the Chu Kingdom used it before.They both share similarities.They are the strongest in their respective era.They both have famed horses aiding them.They are stubborn and they don't have good military tactics.

About Red Hare...yes it's the fastest of horses.Surprisingly it came from a normal horse breeder...so credit to Dong Zhuo for spotting it.The next fastest horse should be Gray Lightning or Shadow Runner,which both belong to Cao Cao

Gray Lightning

Shadow Runner

Jaegal_Maut wrote:

Zhuge liang is the best tacttician I've ever known, His wisdom are supperior even Liu Bei bows to him when recruiting him.. My fav is Zhou Tai and Ma Chao, foe Zhou Tai I like the Idea of warrior with sword in Chinese History, those slashing actions in game are superb, and for Ma Chao I like his history and spear-fighting styles and not forget the outfit is Cool. Well about Lu Bu.. its obvious he is the strongest fighter ever but he lacks on tactic and strategies.. And he Has very cute (but deadly) lover Diao Chan, There are many aspects contributing in Lu BU overwhelming power: 1. He is naturally strong and has the equivalent of '1000 man??' 2. His weapon th Halberd is very strong and has a very wide range 3. His Red Hare are the fastest horse ever With this He could easily taken out any general on field

i'd have to agree! Zhou Tai and Ma Chao are my favorite characters. They're both soooo cool in DW! Koei does a great job on character design.

Zhou Tai is probably the 2nd strongest character in the game with his samurai esque style and super duper musou. That's the best musou in the whole game! Also, Zhou Tai has a great story! He got all his scars from running outside naked and protecting one of the Sun brothers from death (almost the end of Wu!). And he became a valuable bodyguard I believe, or something like that.

So, who's the hottest girl in Dynasty Warriors based on fictional designs? Diao Chan is my favorite She's supposed to be one of the most beautiful women in China and she's not disappointing. I hope Lu Bu doesn't come after me now...

i've yet to watch the drama and i've only read a couple chapters of the story, but i'm addicted to playing Dynasty Warriors, the latest one for PS2. I just create characters have a go at it. Its just a lot of fun messing around with the weapons and killing generals who doesn't want to join you and what not
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i'd have to agree! Zhou Tai and Ma Chao are my favorite characters. They're both soooo cool in DW! Koei does a great job on character design. Zhou Tai is probably the 2nd strongest character in the game with his samurai esque style and super duper musou. That's the best musou in the whole game! Also, Zhou Tai has a great story! He got all his scars from running outside naked and protecting one of the Sun brothers from death (almost the end of Wu!). And he became a valuable bodyguard I believe, or something like that. So, who's the hottest girl in Dynasty Warriors based on fictional designs? Diao Chan is my favorite She's supposed to be one of the most beautiful women in China and she's not disappointing. I hope Lu Bu doesn't come after me now...

In Dynasty Warriors I find that Ling Tong can deal lots of damage.You use the Ice Orb to freeze a general then use Musou on him.It's a stationery Musou so it deal massive damage on the helpless,frozen enemy.But come to think of it...the strongest Musou is still Gan Ning's one.

Beautiful women...I got to say it's Xiao Qiao.Ok maybe not in the game but in real life.Zhuge Liang even used her name to frame Cao Cao,making Zhou Yu so mad,with resulted in the Battle Of ChiBi.

There are many speculations surrounding Diao Chan.Some said she's not even in existence but since she's included in 'China's Four Beauties" I think she's a real person.Then some said that after Lu Bu killed Dong Zhuo she committed suicide by jumping into a lake.Then there's some just DW who think she continued to be with Lu Bu till his death at Xia Ye castle.Who is correct and who is wrong...no one knows.

K.T.Tran wrote:

i've yet to watch the drama and i've only read a couple chapters of the story, but i'm addicted to playing Dynasty Warriors, the latest one for PS2. I just create characters have a go at it. Its just a lot of fun messing around with the weapons and killing generals who doesn't want to join you and what not

Welcome to this thread.Are you interested to see beyond the gaming part of Dynasty Warriors and know the real strategies and events that happened 1800 years ago?

Dynasty Warriors is no doubt a nice hack-and-slash game.It can also give first-timers to the Three Kingdoms history a brief idea of the events that happened.The strategies used in this period can help our personal lives a lot.We simply need to know why and how a certain strategy is used and we can use it to our advantage(e.g The Scheme of Hiding A Knife Behind A Smile.If you are a newcomer to a company act as if you are not a talented person.Let others think that you are not a threat to them.At the same time take the opportunity to impress your boss quietly.When you get "power' and ranking it's too late for your colleagues.they miss the chance to "destroy' you when you are weak and now they will suffer in your hands!!!"

So having said that...learnin this history is not just for self-entertainment.Rather I will see this is educational.

Ok just to ask.Between Shu,Wu and Wei which kingdom do you like most?!?

I personally like Wei because it had lots of excellent strategists(e.g Xun Yu,Jia Xu just to name a few) and also diplomats.I always regard Man Chong as the best diplomat during that era.He had a glib tongue and can easily convince someone to help Cao Cao.And they have talented warriors,some of which process a certain level of military tactics.Hao Zhao,Zhang He and my personal favourite Zhang Liao...I feel that Wei had a balance in every area and specialised in military tactics,and furthermore Cao Cao agrubly is much better with strategies and tactics then Liu Bei and Sun Quan.Wei forever!!!

ben_galahad wrote:

Ok just to ask.Between Shu,Wu and Wei which kingdom do you like most?!? I personally like Wei because it had lots of excellent strategists(e.g Xun Yu,Jia Xu just to name a few) and also diplomats.I always regard Man Chong as the best diplomat during that era.He had a glib tongue and can easily convince someone to help Cao Cao.And they have talented warriors,some of which process a certain level of military tactics.Hao Zhao,Zhang He and my personal favourite Zhang Liao...I feel that Wei had a balance in every area and specialised in military tactics,and furthermore Cao Cao agrubly is much better with strategies and tactics then Liu Bei and Sun Quan.Wei forever!!!

Yea bud, i would love to watch the drama....hopefully Shindou senpai still has it. Maybe I can ask him if he can burn me a copy


Which one i like most....i'd have to go with Wu. Sun Ce, Gan Ning, Zhou Yu, and them I read some of the history of these guys a on Wikipedia nd it sucked how majority of them died do to illness, assassinations, and such. The death of some of these guys were indeed a big loss and if they were still living, it could've gone either way
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